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Postby Adonai » Mon Apr 10, 2006 20:54

I guess it is just like the cross. "Christians" believe it is a sacred symbol, but if they lived 2000 years ago they would know the cross is a symbol of mockery and it meant that anyone that died at the cross would be "cursed" for eternity.

at least that is what I read once I don't know for exact science.
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Postby Mike » Mon Apr 10, 2006 22:01

What about this: The Ichtus (fish symbol) is used by modern christians A LOT (well, at least in Holland) Now this "evil satanic movement thing" let's it swim to the other side ( :roll: ) adopt it and make it their new symbol. Do you stop using the Ichtus?
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Postby nordicmetalhead » Mon Apr 10, 2006 22:15

You might not, but your descendants will, since history has that tendency to repeat itself. Otherwise, you'd be wearing a pentagram around your neck, or a Nehushtan.

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Postby Judah AriYah » Mon Apr 10, 2006 22:42

Can you post some links or a website that backs up that the pentagram was originally
a "christian" symbol? I would like to read up on that..

I think the star of david was adopted by Solomon from one of his wives who came
from a pagan land, so it wasn't really given by YAHWEH as his symbol. (Please
correct me if I am mistaken on that..)

The only symbol I really think YAHWEH provided was the Menorah..


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Postby Velossfaeniel » Mon Apr 10, 2006 23:03

also the skull and crossbones began as a Christian symbol. It was first put on graves of converted pagans showing that there is life after death, (thus the X over the skull). then the Crusaders used it on their ships' sails for identification, etc. Then the pirates started using it as a disguise, so that other ships would think they were Crusaders...
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Postby Jeremy » Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:17

Perhaps I'll wear the shirts and keep copies of this discussion in my pocket.

As compelling as all of this is, I doubt I can convey it to every person who sees me wearing my cool Morbid Angel shirts and thinks, "I guess Christianity isn't as intense as I thought because Coulson also worships Satan."

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Postby Skogtroll. » Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:12

Voronwe wrote:also the skull and crossbones began as a Christian symbol. It was first put on graves of converted pagans showing that there is life after death, (thus the X over the skull). then the Crusaders used it on their ships' sails for identification, etc. Then the pirates started using it as a disguise, so that other ships would think they were Crusaders...


hm, I'm not sure if Crusaders used it :? but it's a Christian symbol definately

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Postby Ansgar » Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:58

DrNordic wrote:Don't you guys believe that symbols and signs can be hallowed by evil?


If you play with fire, you will either get burned or burn something/someone.


One mights also say that if you play with fire, you begin to understand how to guard yourself from it and to relate to those that are in it. I have a Darkthrone Tshirt...and I wear it to shows and to places because the metal kids recognize it and come and talk to me, and it opens converstation. If I only wore Christian metal T's, then metal guys would probably not recognize, say, a CM or Antestor shirt and not necessarily come and talk to me, or even give me the time of day. I wouldnt wear it to church though. One has to realize their audience, as with anything, but I think that wearing a shirt such as Darkthrone allows one to meet and even witness to those that would never talk to you otherwise. very controversial though, I know.
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Postby Jeremy » Tue Apr 11, 2006 14:46

Interesting point. I don't get many comments when I wear a Crimson Moonlight shirt to a Suffocation show.

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Postby Velossfaeniel » Tue Apr 11, 2006 22:24

i don't know if it's still such a good idea to wear pentagrams, because it is automatically associated with evil, therefore you may not get many questions/comments, because most people think they already know what it means. (unless you start all the discussions, whether or not they ask...)
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Postby the MASTICATOR » Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:43

Hhhhhm I've been wondering the same sort of thing lately.

How do you draw the line of what you think is appropriate or not?
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Postby Jeremy » Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:19

Currently I just try to stick with things that won't cause people to think the faith is weak.

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Postby Colonel effin' Wigrid » Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:40

This is a very interesting topic, though I can't think of anything to contribute at the moment.

This must be why Jeremy was trying to give me his Horn of Valere shirt. Intriguing.
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Postby Jeremy » Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:03

Ha! You caught me.

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Postby nordicmetalhead » Wed Apr 12, 2006 17:20

Jeremy wrote:Currently I just try to stick with things that won't cause people to think the faith is weak.

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